As we approach the 26th and our bonus checks/pay checks I wanted to throw a question out to the UAL mechanics on this board.

What are you prepared to do if the ibt has taken a % from your signing bonus and/or taken 2.5 x base rate ie; $90+ in dues from you?

Either or both would constitute bald face lies on the part of the Airline Division/Negotiators.

Are you willing to trust a group that will lie to your face, with the amalgamation of your agreement? Nevermind the fact that its now painfully clear they have no real idea how to handle that which they just "negotiated".

What are you willing to put up with?

Unfortunately, You, GT, I and 5 others won't, but that seems about all? javascript:JOSC_emoticon(%22%22)

you guys are awe some

AMFA-sign your cards.

What makes you think they won't take any dues from a bonus check? It's automatic. Payroll will take dues out of all paychecks and bonus checks thru the auto payroll deduction.

It still amazes me that the teamsters still charge 2.5% for their dues. They brag about how many members they have 1.4 million roughly. Yet they were the only union at all the airlines or anywhere for that fact, that "FORCED" a dues increase on all it's 1.4 million members. When they did this it forced a "RECORD" card drive and the teamsters were "REMOVED". We told them what would happen and we were bluffing, they thought we were doing what they do all the time, making false threats, or rather just flat out lieing to them. Just like they do to their members.

If you're a SWA mech, then you know it wasn't the "Dues" factor that launched a card drive at SWA - common on now - be honest - it was your famous rally cry of "100K". You guys thought you should be making a 100K a year and if not - you were going to replace the Union with a group that told you guys that they would get you a 100K.

And what did that group do for 2 consecutive contracts at SWA? just extend the IBT contract, they didn't negotiate Jack.

BTW, the .5 dues increase came about to boost the Strike fund.

The Teamster President in 1994 (Carey, a TDU candidate who almost bankrupted the IBT)tried to do the same thing in 94 as the Strike fund was going broke. Members rejected his attempt and when Hoffa became president - worked hard to fix all the mistakes that Carey had done.

WRONG!!!

The Drive was a direct result of Griswolds Hotel room deal to give up retro on the paid lunch period.

The truth came out, and it was one of the quickest card drives ever. The ibt didn't even fight.

I'm sure that gave the card drive it's final push over the top, but that was not the reason the card drive started. The "AMFA" promised was that they would get the SWA mechs 100k. It was the 100k rally cry - which by the way, SWA mechs still don't make in base pay.

I'll Play...

AMFA promised 100k...

The ibt at UAL promised to...

Open the contract early...

Get a double vesting pension outside of section 6 negotiations...

No changes to the CBA without a membership vote...

That we could put our signing bonus into our 401k....

Do you really want to play the "promise" game?

First of all I am a SWA mechanic. 2nd of all you are so far off It's pathetic. I never once said that the dues increase was the only factor in the reamsters getting fired from the SWA mechanics. It was in fact "the final straw" And I garrentee you it had absolutely nothing to do with this 100K crap you are preaching. You need to get your facts straight before you mouth off.

AMFA is so much better than the reamsters, it's like night and day. If all the UAL/CAL mechanics want to keep them, then you all can have them. We warned you all, and now you all are seeing what we were talking about.

Could someone please post what these mechanics are paying right now in dues to the scumbag teamsters.

that will be the new rate for UAL guys

I emailed this question to all the IBT Airline Division Officers and negotiators. I received two responses from negotiators stating this question was asked during negotiations and the IBT stated they would not take out any fees or charges. Of course, since they are only negotiators and the IBT is known to lie we will really have to wait and see.

That's it in a nutshell.

They lied to the UAL mechs already when they told us that the signing bonus could got into our 401k accounts, they are still trying to figure out how the CBA is interpreted, it won't come as any surprise if they lied about the dues as well.

I just hope that if/when it does happen, that it serves as the wake up call to dump these amateurs.

Well some did put a large percentage in there 401K; they were proactive. Second, there were no dues taken out of the bones check. I have all so heard that seniority will be by DATE of HIRE.

Things not going so well at SWA though.

I don't understand all the fuss about our monthly dues. I wish it was 150 a month, becuase that means we'd be at a base of $50.00. Sign me up.

"All the fuss" resides in the fact that during the road shows for the first TA, the negotiators were asked specifically about the language changes surrounding the term "BASE RATE". This language was also included in the 2nd TA.

At these road shows they stated that dues would be 2.5 x the basic hourly rate( no lic, etc) and not the all in rate, or new "BASE RATE"

The question has lingered because this language change meant nothing to the company, but when you look at the teamster bylaws for the calculation of dues it reads....2.5 x "BASE RATE".

As the teamsters have played fast and lose with the truth since they arrived at UAL, and the recent signing bonus/401k gaffe, many do not trust the teamsters.

When the next check arrives in a few days we'll see.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Check your math.

$50.00 x 2.5 is $125 not $150

IF you had read the constitution you would know that the IBT will take retroactive dues from your bonus/retro pay

Got the $11500 check. No dues taken but the gov sure took there share.

Oh wow, they linked the NMB website from their webpage......thats soooooooooooooooooooooo intimidating.

You ibt shills are laughable!

The link may very well violate NMB rules but you're gonna need a whole lot more if you're gonna get your hopes up in over turning the election.

That said even if you do manage to get a re-run, the Fleet Service members have already seen the benefits that the IAM provides that the ibt can't match.

It'd be almost worth it just to watch you liars lose a second election by a wider margin.

Some people have allready got their bonus checks why don't you just ask them?

Who has gotten their bonus checks already?

Got the check. No union dues taken.

I really wish posters on this sight would use a moniker, so it would not be so confusing. Most seem to use Anonymous, and that makes it hard to figure out who is replying to what.

Some participants on here are obviously very educated on the issues, and this helps tremendously in understanding the issues. Others are simply childish in their sarcasm and adds NO value to the discussion. If you have a different point of view and bring sound arguments to the discussion, that's great, I will reevaluate my position. Sarcasm (while sometimes funny) rarely adds creditability to your argument. IMHO...

There are pluses and minuses to having a SN. I think there is a LOT of good in just reading someone's words and using your brain that God gave you to figure out if they are meaningful or not.

By asking for the use of screen names, you are asking to set up a preconceived notion about each poster. Why not just read the words and use your brain? Give thoughtful consideration to every post or reply that you take the time to read.

I don't see the burning need for screen names. It just leads to tribalism. You take one look at that SN and either oppose or support what comes next whether it deserves it or not. Responses become classic knee-jerk responses.

I guess we can be that way anyway but annonymity can slow it down. Take time to chew your food.

First off, like most people I don't have a tremendous amount of time to despair what comments were made by which poster, I don't spend a lot of time on this board as there are many other tasks in my life. This board serves a purpose to debate and understand others views, hopefully uniting us. Now, the current Union officials who come here, during the time they are suppose to be serving the members, are obviously not spending their time wisely, and moreover are here just to be destructive, a double negative. Yes, I may be slow in your eyes, but it does help in tying what person has said what in multiple postings. I'm all for anonymity and a screen name does not reveal anyone's identity. In fact, I just wrote an editorial to my town's paper and you have to identify yourself, and that makes you take a second thought over what you've said, and be more careful, as it opens the door for public scrutiny. My point on that article is; have an opinion, stay on point & have factual references to back up your claim.

As to your claim of "Tribalism", yes I take each comment individually, but when one contradicts themselves, from a particular post, it is nice to know, so one can call out this inconsistency. This is but one example. When everyone uses "Anonymous" it takes away individuality, and in many cases enables the poster to spout off with out any repercussions of accountability or facts.

To me this argument comes down to creditability. Yes, I do judge each post on it's own merits, but also judge the poster's creditability. Let's take the secrete ballot system for example; how many times have you seen where a group of people come out vocally against a proposition or in our case, a T/A and then find out the vote passed by a large margin? It is clear that that many voters say one thing and do another, their creditability is zero. They hide behind their anonymity and lie about their true position for fear of reprisal. Anonymity equals lack of responsibility for what you truly stand for.

Marriage and divore records can be looked up. Its a matter of public record which can be looked up in each states superior court website docket information under their name. Another way is to check their background through an agency which costs some money to do. Your information isn't as private as you think. If the ex-spouse is given a portion of the employees 401k or profitsharing in the divorce it can be easily tracked. Unfortunately, everyone has to be checked and verified.

Just because you don't like it means nothing. You could simply go work somewhere else if you dont like the rules the company puts in place.

What are you talking about? If who doesn't like what?

Spoken like a true company man. What was that you said?.....you're the shop rep in your work area?

The MPA's received their checks last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arpIHl6JjvU&feature=youtu.be< /p>

Bonus check can be seen on skynet "My Pay". No dues taken out.

The dues issue is on the first february paycheck, the only thing that was in question on the signing bonus was if the ibt was going to take the % out as called for in bylaws/constitution.

1 down 1 to go.

I upped my federal deductions to "20" in preparation for the "Bon-us" check! I netted $6,660.80 (BTW what is up with UAL and all the 666 numbers?). They took $4,839.20 out in taxes!!!! State took out $1,777 (my State tax liability last year, 2011, was only $850!!!). Does any one know what is the max deductions one can take out? I know you can claim exempt, but I'm not sure what rules you have to fall under.

First we get screwed by not getting our full retro and settle for a "Bon-us" check, then get screwed in taxes!! Far less than I anticipated. I should have worked 1/4 less If I would have known our fellow workers would fall for this! I guess I could ask to borrow $200 from all of them, and then 2 years later, say "Hey, here's $150 thats all I got; lets call it even!"???? It's the same thing...

Check your 401k contribution by the company. It appears it's short about 1%.

we lost that extra 1% with this new contract

Funny how now matter what I write, there is one to two posters who give me the thumbs down. Now, Mr. Coward Anonymous, what could you possibly have against my post except for the fact you know who I am, by way of previous posts, please let me hear your argument against the "Bone-us" I got? I could probably guess who you are in four guesses or less. You and your other Anonymous buddy only come here to antagonize, you bring nothing useful to the debate. I don't even care so much what Union (If you are indeed a Union person), you support, as long as your argument is valid and not solely antagonistic. It's your objective just to play Devil's advocate. And that my friend is a sorry way to spend your time...

How in the hell did you get into a 42% tax bracket? Usually I hear of 33% to a max of 37% for bonus checks. Knowing when the check was comming I would have claimed exzemt for the bonus check. Wow, unbelievable how much they took out. Damb close to 50%. Now would any of the buy-outs have voted yes knowing what the real end amount is now. Only about 6K take home. Maybe they should have done their math.

Profit sharing? So what? What....$53 bucks? I can afford to buy one shoe. Big deal. They're throwing us crumbs while slinking off with our X pension. You guys are too easy.

I miss Connie!

Connie is still here. why you say that you miss her?

Its the way it is dosn't matter what you claim they take out the 42% from everybody...you'll have to what till next year when you do your 2012 taxes to get whatever else is coming to you...

hope all you yes voters are happy.. the company is laughing at us now..thanks you only lose your full retro if you vote to give it up..which you all did

I've heard the Airtran Mechanics have only been unionized since the year 2000. Can anybody verify?

They have senority dates back to 1994. Not sure when the teamsters started to represent them.

From what I understand the 1994 senority is ValueJet senority. From what I read, Airtran didn't start until sometime in 1997. Heard they unionized (IBT) in 2000, but don't know for sure.

READ the WHOLE email!!!! Your getting anywhere from $4,040 to $8,000 gross! This is profit sharing NOT success sharing! Although we have been robbed of much, $8,000 IS a big deal in my book! You may want to reread my post to the SWA mechanics above over what ALL we have lost. READ before posting...

I think my ESOP stock was worth over $80,000 dollars before they made it totally worthless. The pension was worth a good deal more I should think. Them throwing us crumbs is meant to placate the weak minded. It worked.
(I wasn't refering to you, just for the record.)

Actually, I have a statement, that at the ESOP max our shares were worth $110,000. When we were allowed to sell after penalties & taxes I netted $1,600, CRIMINAL. Sorry for the harsh tone, we both agree, that the ESOP scam & loss of 3/4 of our pensions (Just to name the two of the biggest thefts) are simply criminal! And my personal biggest complaint of this recent T/A is we approved 3/4's of what was RIGHTFULLY ours "Full Retro" and the company negotiators were certain to be given a nice bonus for getting our group to settle for less then what was rightfully ours! Not to mention "Retroactive pay" will NEVER be paid again, now that we set a president of settling for a "Signing bone-us" and the Sub-Cal folks are use to settling for signing Bone-uses. You, I and a few others know and have lived through these atrocities.

CONtinental mechanics got full retro on the last contract

And how long were they/you out from the amendable date?

"CONtinental mechanics got full retro on the last contract."

How would they know? They don't look up from their shoes long enough to have the audacity to actually read their pay stub, let alone to ask for another bowl of porridge. Their management boards the plane before them and waves bye-bye. "SEE YA! SUCKERS!!!!"

It's all good with them. Who are they to board before a manager, right? Who are they to question the pay check that God gave them?....er, I mean that Mr Smisek gave them. We must know our place in life. They also serve who stand and wait ...at the gate while managers fly off to point B.

"You could simply go work somewhere else if you don't like the rules the company puts in place."

Buddy, just because you cave in to the company's mistreatment of the workers also means nothing. If you aren't willing to support a union shop, why don't you go work in a non-union shop? There ya go, right back at ya. Reminds me of a scene out of the movie JW Coop, with Cliff Robertson as a rodeo cowboy. JW is hitch-hiking and gets a ride from a local rancher out in Wyoming or someplace like that. Because he's getting a ride in the other fellow's truck he has to listen patiently as the driver rants about what's wrong with the country, liberals and unions. Then it comes out that the driver is a retired shipyard worker from California. JW is surprised and asks, "Hey, how can a retired shipyard worker afford a nice ranch up in these parts?"
Answer: "Oh, good union."
DOH!!!!!

That's you, an anti-union hypocrite in a union shop. Why don't you leave us alone and if you are so talented and capable of negotiating your own pay and benefits, why don't you go do it at one of these model anti-union work places you support. But in the mean time, let union men fight for better treatment and not having to have our medical coverage for our dependents summarily wiped out by the company with company apologists like you chiming in on it.

Do us all a favor and why don't you go work in one of your vaunted anti-union work places and leave us alone.

They got between $4000 to $6000 bonus check and another $10000 to $15000 retro...

Below is a link to the story.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Airways-Flight-Attendant-tsmf-5100 31923.html?x=0